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Postprzez Gość » Pt kwi 02, 2004 9:01 pm

Piotr napisał(a):Koniec rozmow na inne tematy, powracamy do głónwego wątku (Lenin i sie dziwisz ze trza was krótko trzymać, złazicie z tematu okropnie :oczko: , wracać do tematu głównego i to już :P )

Ja sie nie dziwie, ja sam tak robie na innym forum :P
Czasami mnie tylko kopnie w inny temat...


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A propos terroryzmu: dzis slyszalem od znajomego, ze gdzies tam wyczytal (gazeta), ze w Polsce istnieje spore zagrozenie ataku terrorystycznego, ale nie zwykla bomba jak to mialo miejsce w Madrycie a srodkami bakteriologicznymi badz tzw. brudna bomba.
Czy ktos moze to potwierdzic?
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Postprzez Lenin » Pt kwi 02, 2004 9:05 pm

To powyzej jest moje...


Czy ktos moze mi pomoc z autologowaniem?
Tylko na tym jednym forum mi nie dziala! :/
Tylko plz, na prv.
Tak dla długich składów 81.!
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Postprzez MeWa » N kwi 04, 2004 11:10 am

Czy ktos moze to potwierdzic?

jest zagrożenie. Ale nie kierowałbym się wszystkim, co napiszą gazety, i w dodatku z źródła zasłyszanego. A odnośnie skali zagrożenia, to zapytaj służby specjalne :)
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Passing through train

Postprzez MikeM » N kwi 11, 2004 5:26 pm

Hello after longer time,
we were talking on the CZ-forum about passing to another wagon in case of fire, danger... We have electricaly locked doors - but they could be opened only by driver´s button or by loss of electric power(by the time the batteries are destroed, passengers... :eee: ).
How is it solved in Warzsawa? MM
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Postprzez aessar » N kwi 11, 2004 9:03 pm

Hello,
Alstom's doors are electrics, in 81 - pneumatics... either have electronic/electric looked system, but in carriages are special cantilevers - "dameged open doors".
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Re: Passing through train

Postprzez Piotr » N kwi 11, 2004 11:06 pm

dolby napisał(a):Alstom's doors are electrics, in 81 - pneumatics...

Yes, you are right but MikeM told us about other doors. You wrote about side doors (extensible), which open for station. Mike thought about doors which you can pass between wagon (hinged).


MikeM napisał(a):How is it solved in Warzsawa? MM

We have not so good. In Warsaw those doors aren't automatic. Under the door handles we have lock , you can open by the key in the shape of the triangle. And when there is a case of any danger, driver must open manualy all the "pass to another wagon" doors. It's a very danger method because, if in the middle wagon is a fire, and the all train is in the tunnel, the driver must to open manualy the doors. It's time-consuming method, the driver can not have a time to open in time of all door. But the Warsaw's engineers wants in the near future, install automatic method of openning those doors.
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Re: Passing through train

Postprzez aessar » N kwi 11, 2004 11:29 pm

Piotr napisał(a):[...]Mike thought about doors which you can pass between wagon (hinged).

achaaaa :mrgreen:
Piotr napisał(a):But the Warsaw's engineers wants in the near future, install automatic method of openning those doors.

O? A to nowości :)
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doors, fire extinguishers

Postprzez MikeM » Pn kwi 12, 2004 11:06 am

Piotr napisał(a):It's time-consuming method, the driver can not have a time to open in time of all door. But the Warsaw's engineers wants in the near future, install automatic method of openning those doors.

Not to think about the situation when the first wagon is in fire...
There are side doors...but the space around wagon is too narrow for a quick evacuation, isn´t it? We have no hammers inside wagon for breaking windows. Do you have something like it?
Piotr napisał(a):But the Warsaw's engineers wants in the near future, install automatic method of openning those doors.

Do you know whether there will be some buttons for passengers to open these doors?

And the last question: where do you have situated fire extinguishers? We have them on the wall(i think it is right) in older wagons but in the new ones FE are somewhere under seats :eee: MM
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Re: doors, fire extinguishers

Postprzez Piotr » Pn kwi 12, 2004 11:59 am

MikeM napisał(a):We have no hammers inside wagon for breaking windows. Do you have something like it?

Yes we also have hammers, small one. They are hang near the windows, theoretically because in Warsaw, thiefs like this hammers and they steal them :eee:
MikeM napisał(a):Do you know whether there will be some buttons for passengers to open these doors?

No, it's only a plan.
MikeM napisał(a):And the last question: where do you have situated fire extinguishers? We have them on the wall(i think it is right) in older wagons but in the new ones FE are somewhere under seats :eee: MM

We have also on the walls. Two for wagon, in the corners.
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hammers

Postprzez MikeM » Pn kwi 12, 2004 10:05 pm

Piotr napisał(a):
MikeM napisał(a):We have no hammers inside wagon for breaking windows. Do you have something like it?

Yes we also have hammers, small one. They are hang near the windows, theoretically because in Warsaw, thiefs like this hammers and they steal them :eee:

So...are they stolen or are they there? Pardon, i did not understand. If they are there it is surprising for me - good news. We have only doors to escape and they are locked :sad: MM
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Re: hammers

Postprzez Piotr » Wt kwi 13, 2004 12:10 pm

MikeM napisał(a):So...are they stolen


Yes...
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Re: hammers

Postprzez MikeM » Wt kwi 13, 2004 1:13 pm

Piotr napisał(a):
MikeM napisał(a):So...are they stolen


Yes...

So, some type of spanner is required in the metro...
Another chance is to use side doors... MM
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Re: hammers

Postprzez MeWa » Wt kwi 13, 2004 1:21 pm

MikeM napisał(a):
Piotr napisał(a):
MikeM napisał(a):So...are they stolen


Yes...

So, some type of spanner is required in the metro...
Another chance is to use side doors... MM

Apparently passengers can open the side doors - the tunnels aren't so wide in all places. But we have to add, that all parts are fire-proof, so the chance for big fire is very little. And the reaction of Town Services is very quick - once the fire sensors at one station detected smoke, and before the station duty officer came to check what happen, the fire brigade was there after 3 minutes :) There where some real fires, but they weren't never severe. And what's more, fire brigade has frequent exercises in tunnels.
Concerning the doors between the carriages, I've heard a version, that they are closed, because at night drunk young people would cross through them...
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Re: hammers

Postprzez MikeM » Wt kwi 13, 2004 1:55 pm

MeWa napisał(a):
MikeM napisał(a):
Piotr napisał(a):
MikeM napisał(a):So...are they stolen


Yes...

So, some type of spanner is required in the metro...
Another chance is to use side doors... MM

Apparently passengers can open the side doors - the tunnels aren't so wide in all places. But we have to add, that all parts are fire-proof, so the chance for big fire is very little. And the reaction of Town Services is very quick - once the fire sensors at one station detected smoke, and before the station duty officer came to check what happen, the fire brigade was there after 3 minutes :)

But the electricity (or even explosion) can start the fire almost everyvhere and passengers have flammable materials...
For fire inside tunell...i thing fire brigade could never save passengers, but only stop the fire do destroy the whole train :eee:
Passengers have to escape (like in Moscow) and not to waste time by breaking windows or blundering along the train.
Locked door - it is the worst thing i see in our metro systems :x MM
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Postprzez MeWa » Wt kwi 13, 2004 4:15 pm

Yes, but keeping the doors open wouldn't be safe due to "silly" passengers which wouldn't care for their own safety, which would cross without need. For safety reasons any emergency service woulnd't allow tehm to be open.
Concerning Moscow, train driver opened side doors. In most cases there are other ways to solve the problem. I don't think that open doors are necessary. The train driver can react very quickly - in every car there is a special button. Passengers can inform about any untipical situation. Concerning fires - even if there would be a fire, it wouldn't be big - due to not flamable things inside the trains. And there are fire extingushers.
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